Advantage of two Init systems

The debate over systemd vs init is a long-complicated one as systemd is hated by some in the linux community due to its binary nature thus is harder to fix bugs.

MX was created with a lightweight system in mind, and systemd can be very heavy on some systems (see antiX)

MX maintains debian with init as opposed to systemd for this reason.

Now of course it could always switch to a Devuan, but even openRC has its downsides compared to init in terms of compatibility.

Plus Duvuan is a bit slower on the updates.

Edited by MadmanRB, 05 February 2024 - 12:48 PM.

That remark makes no sense. You realize that Debian run's on system D and mxlinux would not exists without Debian ?

I do not know why systemD is not liked as both systems operate almost identically.

Edited by compis, 09 February 2024 - 01:57 PM.

 

I do not know why systemD is not liked

It does not follow the UNIX Philosophy
It's anti-freedom as per statements made by the systemd creator

systemd does not respect the user

Here's some references free from bias.

https://nosystemd.org/
https://the-world-after-systemd.ungleich.ch/

https://ihatesystemd.com/

I see some of the points are valid.But some are invalid like changing CVE 2017-15908 has been corrected and the changing of the interface name does not occur.

However if mxlinux wants to choose another Init system they should not allow 2 init systems to exist. That suggests the sysvinit they chose is not up to performing the task.

 

However if mxlinux wants to choose another Init system they should not allow 2 init systems to exist.

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda. Look, I do not agree with this approach either but I do not have to use MX Linux. Maybe somewhere out there MX is filling a hole, great for MX, I don't care.

But not in a million years would I go around and say that they should not do something that they clearly can. Quite the contrary, all the more power to them. You gotta stop being a sassy lil boy and start doing your own thing.

 

That suggests the sysvinit they chose is not up to performing the task.

Perform what task? Providing a slick, fast init system with the possibility to use systemd whenever necessary without having to manually install and configure it?

If anything, this proves again that systemd is the odd one out here since it somehow managed to monopolize the functionality of certain programs. Systemd is per definition everything Unix and Unix-Like tries to avoid.

You gotta stop being a sassy lil boy and start doing your own thing.

The point I am making by placing this post is MXlinux should not ever be using 2 Init systems. there is no reason for it to exist.

If anyone can provide an example of how two Init system could co-exists I would like to hear it.

I would absolutely love to do that, yes.

There are two things that we have to keep in mind though.

a.) this board is for alternate operating system support

b.) no amount of information will get you to read anything that contradicts with the opinion that you have stated here on multiple occasions

Maybe the best thing to do here is to simply not use MX Linux and go with something that fits your needs a little better. I heard Windows works well right out the box.

The point I am making by placing this post is MXlinux should not ever be using 2 Init systems. there is no reason for it to exist.
 
If anyone can provide an example of how two Init system could co-exists I would like to hear it.

Here is another question.

What other distro has 2 Init systems ?

Solution:

https://www.linux.org/threads/init-system.47583/

Dead horse beaten into submission......member deleted.

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Why does no other Linux distro use 2 Init systems?

No one so far has provided any other linux distro that uses 2 Init systems

Edited by cryptodan, 14 March 2024 - 10:02 PM.