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#16 pcpunk

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 12:53 PM

 

A couple of other questions if I may ..

 

- What about virus protection ? Do I need any on Linux ? On W7 I have MSE and Malwarebytes - but I think I read somewhere that this kind of protection is not needed on Linux.

 

- In Windows, I am a frequent user of CCleaner - run it multiple times daily, as I found it to be one of the best tools. I dowloaded it in Linux, it's sitting in 'downloads' but when I click, nothing happens. Often, in Windows, after several hours Internet use, a CCleaner clean can wipe 2000 - 3000 temporary Internet files and hundreds of cookies and other stuff. Does a similar thing happen in Linux, and if so, what cleaning tool is appropriate ?

 

Thanks. JA

If you haven't already - open the Terminal and type sudo ufw enable then your password, the password won't show up, just type it and press Enter, this will activate your firewall.  You can also go into the Software Manager and get the firewall gui, just type in firewall and look for it.  This will allow you to look at the settings, you can also do this from the terminal.  To check status it type in terminal sudo ufw status verbose and enter your pass again.  The output should look like this:

Status: active
Logging: on (low)
Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), disabled (routed)
New profiles: skip
 
CCleaner won't work on linux!  I think clearing your browsers and using ClamTK is the ticket, others will comment if I am wrong.
 
Did you update your system?  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
Let it update, it will take a while but not as long as Windows.  This is quite temporary in a sense, because eventually you will run out of Persistence space, in fact I don't even know much about running with the install you have now.  I always do a full install to usb, that way it works like a full system - but then one might want a 32gb usb for this. 

 

Read up on ClamTK, Apparmor, rkhunter and post back if you have questions, this is not my strong suit.  

 

ClamTK is good for removing a lot of browser junk and more imo.  

 

Apparmor is good and can be set to do many things once you learn how to apply it, but it does have default settings that will be good enough to start.

 

rkhunter will detect but not remove.

 

When you get a full install to HDD you can use something like this or another paid version of linux AV.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/578679/sophos-antivirus-for-linux/

 

If you become an advanced user you will be able to do many things to be very secure for free.


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Posted 02 August 2015 - 03:43 PM

got into the BIOS (now THERE'S a learning curve) eventually found the boot order, stuck in the USB, re-started .. and there was Linux.


Glad to hear it.

I assume that I can put the same USB in any other computer, and, after changing the BIOS startup order, of course, run Linux off that USB on that computer, right ?


That's the idea, but in reality it may not work on some computers due to unsupported hardware. Whether or not you're using a 32bit or 64bit version of Linux Mint could also be a factor. A safe answer would be that you can use it on many computers.

What is 'persistence'


When running a live-flashdrive in try-mode, all changes you make to Linux Mint will be erased when you reboot. Please note, changes you make to files stored elsewhere, like on your harddrive, will not be erased. Persistence is a feature you can use to save the changes made to Linux Mint to a file or partition, and then after a reboot, they can be restored. Often people store the persistence file, or persistence partition on the live-flashdrive. The guide you followed offered the ability to have persistence, not sure if you choose to use it or not.

how do I change the 'taskbar' size and icons on the Linus desktop to make them bigger ?


To change the panel size, right-click on the panel, choose "panel settings", check the box for "use customized panel size", then drag the slider for the bottom panel height till you get
the size you want.

To resize an icon on the desktop, right-click, and choose "Resize icon", drag a corner till you get the size you want.

when I do install, it will be firstly, just on my 'play' laptop.


The benefits of having more than one machine :).

What about virus protection ? Do I need any on Linux ?


As on Windows, Linux Mint (and many Linux distros) uses security updates, and permissions to protect you. For this reason it is often advisable to keep you system up-to-date, and be careful about using elevated permissions. For example, any command that uses "sudo" in it, is giving root permissions, which is full access.

Whether or not you should install an anti-malware tool all comes down to what kind of stuff you use your system for, and what security measures you personally feel give you the protection your system needs. Personally I use Windows 8 as my default operating system. I run various Linux distros in virtual-machines, but they are discarded quickly, so for me I don't feel a need for anti-malware on Linux. Since your situation differs from mine, you may feel the need to run an anti-malware product.

I will say that it's quite common not to run an anti-malware on Linux. Most of the people who do are usually scanning for Windows malware, not Linux malware, because they don't wish to harbour Windows malware. Windows malware cannot infect a Linux operating system (the exception being when a user is running WINE, or a similar tool). There are also very few viruses designed for Linux systems.

There are some users here in the Linux section whom use anti-malware, so if you're interested in doing so, perhaps they can tell you which products they like using best.

In Windows, I am a frequent user of CCleaner - run it multiple times daily, as I found it to be one of the best tools. I dowloaded it in Linux, it's sitting in 'downloads' but when I click, nothing happens


CCleaner is a Windows program, it won't run on Linux Mint (or any Linux distro).

what cleaning tool is appropriate


You can delete cookies, and temporary internet files from within your browser. The default browser on Linux Mint Cinnamon is Mozilla Firefox. To delete cookies and temporary files in Mozilla Firefox, click on the menu-icon that is farthest to the right, choose "history", click "clear recent history", in the drop-down menu choose "Everything", click "Details", check all the boxes, and click "Clear Now".

Alternatively you could try BleachBit, which is not limited to just browser related files. I'd never used it before, but I took it for a spin and it cleaned 200.8MB of space for me, though most of it was from my apt cache which I normally clean myself. Bleachbit is available in the default repos, so you can install it by typing "sudo apt-get install bleachbit" in your terminal, or you can install it by opening the "Software Manager" (it's under the Administrative category in your main menu), searching "bleachbit", double-clicking on the first result, and then clicking "install".


 

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 08:39 PM

Hollowface and pcpunk, thanks for the above. All noted. Will do it over the next few days.

 

It's a real learning curve  :thumbup2:  


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 01:03 AM

Just a quick note for anyone interested .. I  downloaded BleachBit as referred to above, for Windows, and ran it on my existing system.

 

WOW !

 

It cleaned over 1Gig, and that's just AFTER I had done (for test purposes) a CCleaner and Windows Disclean.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 05:41 AM

Hi all. Some more progress made, and more help needed.

 

I've been fully using Linux on both my laptops. Spent a lot of time on it, read all your previous helpful instructions and tips, etc, and all is good. I feel confident to proceed further.

 

OK, so I decided to take the plunge and install Linux on a daul boot basis, along side Win 7. So I booted Linux via the USB, clicked the 'Install Linux' icon and I was off. All well until I came to the partitioning stuff .. which I haven't got a picture of, but from memory, I of course, unchecked 'erase disk and install Linux' obviously, as I don't want to lose Win 7 (at the moment) and all my files. The boxes under that were alien to me - I had no idea what they were about .. one said something about 'encrypt ... ???' and the other something about an LVM ... ???' so I checked none of those, but checked the one under that, being 'Something else'

 

At which point I got several options about partitions, sizes, etc .. but I had no idea what the lower case letter meant, or what to do, so I carefully backtracked and got out of the installation. I just didn't want to do the wrong thing and end up with a giant problem.

 

What I really want to do is install Linux in full - I don't mind how much HD space it takes, because I intend to remove W7 in due time.

 

So what next please ? Any help would be much appreciated. Please use simple (non techy) words if possible, as some of the stuff I read on these forums is way over my head. But in sum, I love Linux, and want to go all the way with it.

 

Oh, and BTW - what is Ubuntu .. and what is the difference between it and Linux ?

 

Thanks.

 

Various edits.


Edited by jargos, 04 August 2015 - 05:44 AM.

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 05:58 AM

 

I don't mind how much HD space it takes

20 gb minimum.

 

 

Manually Setup A Ubuntu-Windows 7 Dual Boot

 


"When God shuts a Window, he opens a Linux." —Linus 8:7

 

 

 

 


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 06:19 AM

Thanks NickAu, but again, what is Ubuntu ? And I want to set up a Win 7 and LINUX daul boot.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 06:25 AM

 

what is Ubuntu ?

 

Ubuntu is a Linux distribution, What Linux are you trying?

 

And that video shows you how to create a Windows 7 Ubuntu/Linux dual boot.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 06:42 AM

Trying to install Linux Mint 17.2


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 06:57 AM

Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, and the installer is the same.



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Posted 04 August 2015 - 04:52 PM

 

Trying to install Linux Mint 17.2

Like Al said the installer is the same, So the instructions in the video will work.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 05:36 PM

Good job backing out before you got into trouble, that is the great thing about the Installer! until you click Install you are Ok.

 

@jargos  One thing that vid left out is, if you have a Recovery Partition.  If you do - this will usually fill the drive completely and leaves no room to install linux, you will have to decide weather you want to delete it or not.  You should also consider Cloning or imaging your current system so you have something to fall back on!  Or some bootable Recovery Media that will preserve all, including Recovery Partition.  I still don't understand all the back-up options so others can advise there.

 

If you don't know exactly what you have, go to Disk Management and take a screenshot and post it here.

 

Once the Recovery Partition is gone (that is if you have one) then you can resize the C:Drive to make enough room to have some "Free Space" to install Linux.  Linux don't take up to much space so won't hurt to keep W7 around for a while imo.  It is a good tool, especially if you have to share files with people at work.

 

Before you proceed here is a tutorial by cat1092

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/579923/how-to-dual-boot-windows-ubuntu-based-linux-oss-mbr-method/

 

Note: You will not be using all those instructions as they pertain to XP, but is a good reference.  You don't need a partition wizard in W7, it has one built in.  W7 is valuable, even to us linux folks lol, so imo keep it.

How to delete a partition

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/partition-and-format-a-disk-in-windows/

How to re-size a partition

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/shrink-and-extend-ntfs-volumes-in-windows/


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 08:20 PM

No offense, but you guys are making it too complicated.  Just Install Mint from the installer to any external drive, as I described here in two ways (look for my avatar).  All you do is click on the 'Install Mint' icon once the installer program loads.  Oh, and you have to plug in some external drive as the TARGET for the installation, answer three questions (domain, username, pw).  That's it.  The underlying Windows machine is unaffected.  Which is important, for a Linux newbie can easily wreck his machine if he's newly installing to an internal drive!  So instead, show him how to permanently install to an external drive, forget all that liveUSB nonsense (liveUSB is only an installer, k).

 

I swear to you, until a year ago, I hated Linux as a result of getting the same answers about how you gotta install it to an internal drive.  All the websites and Linux people told me the same dang thing.  OVERCOMPLICATED, k?  I kept on thinking, Well that's no better than Windows!  Same risk!  See the problem, guys?

 

By contrast, note this freedom:  when installed to an EXTERNAL drive, Mint (or Fedora 17 or 22 or PC LinuxOS) will always detect all the drivers and other peripherals at boot, in no matter what machine I plug its external drive into:  Atom Acer, Dell i7, i5, Xeon, Core 2 Duo, Pentium III, II, IV, M.  The drive has FULL PERSISTENCE at all times.  I did it a year ago with Mint 13, to an external 250GB Seagate Go Flex, which has a mini-usb cord.  So I can go to ANY of my 19 Windows machines and plug it in, turn on the machine and I'm in Linux.  I also did it over a month ago on Mint 17, choosing this time an external 60GB WD so I could clone the drive to a 64GB stick.  So can use the stick when travelling.  Full persistence, k?  And full portability, which is FAR EASIER than what y'all are talking about.  And, you can trust Windows to someday mess up the mbr or grub, and then Linux won't work. That's one reason UEFI was invoked for Win8, k?

 

So for Windows users, it's more likely to keep working if Linux is originally installed on an external drive rather than an internal one.  So for Linux newbies, please don't complicate the installation with all those commands and dual-boot, how to configure the drive, wubi, vm vb and grub stuff. I don't even know but at most 12 Linux commands, after 3 years of using it.  So let's not frighten people off by the high jargon.  Seriously, it put me off Linux, and I railed against Linux for years.. until I discovered the simplicity just detailed above.

 

Time to learn the high stuff, later.  Now we're in a crisis.  Folks need an external Linux to fix or protect, Windows. Especially now, that Win10 is so invasive, folks need a quick way to protect the Windows they have.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 08:52 PM

Ah .. brainout .. a breath of fresh air. No offense intended to other kind folk who have tried to help, and indeed they have, but where I was coming unstuck, over and over again, was knowing about partitions .. of which I know zip ..

 

I've never even been into disk management in W7. A step by step instruction guide, in non techie terms, first for whatever I have to do in W7 and then in the Linux set up, would have been very helpful - in fact, essential. As it is, all the stuff is quite foreign to me, and I haven't been able to make progress.

 

Now, I DO NOT blame anyone here for that - one can't blame others for ones own ignorance, and other have certainly tried to help in the way they know how. But I'm totally stuck at the partition (both W7 and Linux) stage, and yet, running the trail version of Linux, leads me to just love it and want it.

 

I like your idea about installing it on to an external drive. I will check your link. Can a USB stick of say 30G be used ? It's the biggest I have.  


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 09:42 PM

PS, brainout, I just the link in your post above. I note you said 64Gig size stick is appropriate. OK, will have to go buy one.

 

I note you also said boot from a DVD not a USB. Why is that ? I currently have the Linux trail on a USB stick, and am running it from there, and the installation to the HD was going fine from there (until I got stuck in the partitioning as discussed above).

 

Thanks


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