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#31 pcpunk

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Posted 27 July 2015 - 05:16 PM

 

 

You might want to test this stuff out on a cheap/inexpensive 16gb usb, then move to the External Drive install, will be the same thing anyway.

It may be OK to test this on a 16GiB Flash drive, but the External Drive install is a totally different experience, it's much faster than most any Flash drive under $40. 

 

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Ooo, that was a great article cat!

 

When I said: "will be the same thing anyway." I meant, as far as the Install process.  IMO it's a good idea to do a test install for some, especially newbie pc guys like me, so why not a usb lol.  I know my first was not the best, was just a thought.  I still run into things in the installer that I forget how to do on some installs.  I need to do this myself as soon as I get an extra drive.


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 08:19 PM

 

I still run into things in the installer that I forget how to do on some installs.

Me too.

 

PCpunk overall I think you are doing ok with learning stuff, You persevere where others would give up, so you get a big  :thumbup2: from me.


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 01:14 AM

 

 

I still run into things in the installer that I forget how to do on some installs.

Me too.

 

PCpunk overall I think you are doing ok with learning stuff, You persevere where others would give up, so you get a big  :thumbup2: from me.

 

+1! :thumbup2:

 

I second this, most all whom has ran across the many roadblocks along the way would have given up at the most in the first couple of weeks. That's tops, likely less time is the case. 

 

pcpunk has always been one whom has hung in there, no matter how many times it took to reinstall, get something going, whatever, that type of intestinal fortitude is rare, like none that I've seen otherwise. I'll be honest, don't have it in me to hang in there as tough as pcpunk has. 

 

Yet learning Linux is not the only thing that pcpunk has excelled at, and perhaps why 'throwing in the towel' was no option. Anyone whom can ride bicycles from Florida through the tough mountains in the state where I live & more to come all the way to Colorado, using rocks as pillows to catch a nap along the way, that's determination in the genes, DNA, whatever one wants to call it. 

 

pcpunk was one of the few from the XP forum that we were able to convince Linux was the way to go & if he can do it, so can anyone else. It's all about learning something new, going on a new journey, and no one has promised this would be easy. Yes, it's very easy to install & use as is, or to add a piece of hardware, yet learning more about the inner workings of the OS is something else altogether. That would apply equally to Windows, as with Linux Mint, most users are using at best, 10% of it's features & that's giving the benefit of the doubt, most less than that. 

 

He has been one of the few whom has expressed desire to learn more than just how to run the OS out of the box, and though started with the MATE edition, is now running KDE, so has learned two OS's during this timespan of a year to 14 or so months. Plus has jumped out there & tried a few others. 

 

I'd certainly say that pcpunk's progress is an exception & by no means the rule, especially given the very rocky start he began with & has been assisting others along the way as of recent times. This has not gone unnoticed my myself & likely other long term members of this forum. :)

 

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 05:01 AM

Hello,

I installed Mint on the hdd without damaging the internal xp one...However, I get an error while booting from the external drive-no such partition, grub rescue-or something like that...Tried multiple re-installations but all in vain...Also, the md5 sum of the iso matches to the original given at the website,meaning the iso was not corrupt...

Help is greatly appreciated as usual...

Thanks

RJ


Edited by RJNB, 28 July 2015 - 05:12 AM.


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 05:20 AM

Which option did you choose for installation?

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 05:28 AM

Hello,

I chose the 'something else option'...Then I resized the partition already present on my external hdd so that there was 34 gb of unallocated(or free space as it was shown there)...I then divided those 34gbs into 12gbs for / (root partition), 20 for /home and 2 to be used as swap...It asked me about my details and all those things mentioned by brainout and I filled them...After a while it said the installation was complete and I rebooted and removed the pen-drive from which I installed Mint and selected the external hdd from the boot menu...After that it just gave me that error...

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 05:36 AM

Did you unplug the internal HDD prior to installation? If not, we'll have to work out where Grub was installed to.

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 08:41 AM

Hello,

I did not unplug the internal hdd but I am sure the grub was installed to the external hdd...To verify that I tried to make another windows xp pc boot from the external hdd and it did boot into mint...However, this laptop still won't boot into Mint. So, I think that the grub thing might be incompatible with this laptop-correct me if wrong...Or there is some other problem,but I am quite positive that the grub was installed only to the external hdd..

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 09:03 AM

As it boots on the other computer, then Grub must be on the external HDD.
 
I have never heard of Grub not being compatible with a computer. Grub is supposed to be installed to the MBR of a drive, but it's also possible to install it to a partition. I am wondering if perhaps it's installed to a partition and one computer is finding it, and the other one isn't.
 
In the screenshot below, in the box "Device for boot loader installation," it says that Grub will be installed to /dev/sda which represents the MBR of the drive. If it said /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 for example,  then it would be installed to a partition.

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Do you recall what this box said when you installed Mint?

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 10:49 AM

Hello,

Thanks for the quick response!!

I recall that I chose the device,not any of the partitions for bootloader installation. It clearly said in the box which you mentioned, the external hdd having a total capacity of 250gbs-so I am sure I installed it in the right place...

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Posted 28 July 2015 - 12:07 PM

As far as I recall, it gives details about the device when you install Grub to a partition too. I quite often install Grub to a partition when I'm installing additional Linux distros, when I don't want it to overwrite the Grub that I have already installed to the MBR from Kubuntu.

If you're not sure whether you installed Grub to the MBR or to a partition, you could easily install it again using your other computer to make sure that it is installed to the MBR. To do so:
  • Boot up your other computer with the external HDD.
  • Run this command in a terminal:
    sudo fdisk -l
    This will list the partitions on both the computer's internal drive(s) and your external drive. The information you need from the output of this command is the name of your external drive, which will probably be /dev/sda or /dev/sdb.
  • Run this command in a terminal to install Grub, swapping X for the appropriate letter corresponding to the name of your external drive:
    sudo grub-install /dev/sdX
    So for example if the external drive is /dev/sda, then swap X for a.
  • Run this command in a terminal to write a new Grub configuration file:
    sudo update-grub
Now you can be sure that Grub is installed to the MBR of your external HDD, and it should hopefully boot on your other computer.

Edited by Al1000, 28 July 2015 - 12:11 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 12:30 PM

I rebooted and removed the pen-drive from which I installed Mint and selected the external hdd from the boot menu...After that it just gave me that error...

Thanks

RJ

Follow Al's directions first he knows much more than I.

 

Al, would it matter where the OS was installed?  Should it have been installed to the Beginning of the Drive? 


Not to question what you did, but it could just be the procedure you are using is wrong as it is booting from other pc like it should.  The Boot-order list has different names on different pc's, so maybe you are just selecting the wrong Drive to boot from. Perhaps this don't account for the Error though.

 

It wouldn't hurt to know exactly the type of pc we are working with, I looked all over but can't find.  I don't think Speccy tells us that.  This way we can take a look at what the boot order choices are, well hopefully.

 

Otherwise follow Al's directions or other Advisers etc. here at bc.com.

 

I will leave you with this, as it seems as though it is just a simple problem.

 

1. Start clean without the Linux drive in, Boot into BOIS and change the Bootorder.

a. Write down the boot order choices.

2. While still in BIOS plug in the drive in, then Save Changes and reboot.

3. There might be another option that will work, maybe you could name them and someone can help.


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 01:41 PM

Al, would it matter where the OS was installed? Should it have been installed to the Beginning of the Drive?


No that won't make any difference. Linux can be installed anywhere on the drive.
 

The Boot-order list has different names on different pc's


That's a good point.

RJ, another possibility is that your computer designated the USB you used for installation as /dev/sda, and other drives would have been /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc. This can sometimes happen with older hardware. When you booted up after removing the USB, the designations for the HDDs would then be /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.

With the external HDD plugged in to the computer, boot up with the USB to a "live" session, open a terminal and run:
sudo fdisk -l
to check that the USB is not listed as /dev/sda.

Can you also please confirm what the internal and external HDDs are listed as?

If not 100% sure, copy and paste the output of the command into a post here.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 01:56 AM

 

 

It wouldn't hurt to know exactly the type of pc we are working with, I looked all over but can't find.  I don't think Speccy tells us that.  This way we can take a look at what the boot order choices are, well hopefully.

 

It shows in the Speccy specs that it's a laptop with XP, even gives the brand (HP) & lots of the rest of the hardware information. Read close & not fast, and you'll see these things. Not only does it says it's a laptop, but also give a battery profile, a dead giveaway it's one. 

 

I'm not sure if Speccy shows advanced boot options, I have one myself, EasyBCD 2.2 & have for some time, maybe 3 years or so? It doesn't show this in the Speccy specs as to which boot tool one uses. 

 

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 02:03 AM

 

 

 

It wouldn't hurt to know exactly the type of pc we are working with, I looked all over but can't find.  I don't think Speccy tells us that.  This way we can take a look at what the boot order choices are, well hopefully.

 

It shows in the Speccy specs that it's a laptop with XP, even gives the brand (HP) & lots of the rest of the hardware information. Read close & not fast, and you'll see these things. Not only does it says it's a laptop, but also give a battery profile, a dead giveaway it's one. 

 

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Just wanted to know the model, lots of video online I could look at to show the Boot options.  Not important, just wanted to see what he was working with.  Did not see this in any of RJNB's threads.  Yes I could see that he had an HP Laptop with XP, I have ADD not AADD+ lol.  


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