*Nix Boot Times

Nice

(in saying same, this might fall under "Discussion", under a new regime? Lol)

Cheers

Wizard

Viper, nice notebook, latest gen i5 series (Kaby Lake).

https://ark.intel.com/products/95443/Intel-Core-i5-7200U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz

With that notebook & CPU, all four values should be showing, unless you're running in CSM (Legacy Mode). If UEFI & GPT partitioning, all should be there, however it may be that some distros doesn't support all four values. Distros based on less than Ubuntu 16.04 may or may not show all 4 specs. 

Still, looks to be a decent notebook, and for a total of 15W output, should be plenty powerful & sip on energy at the same time. Though honestly, Intel stole that idea from NVIDIA, whom were the first to produce GPU's that uses less power, and they're somewhat partners in a way (as it pertains to Intel HD graphics). So since Intel could no longer keep up with Moore's Law (NVIDIA took that & ran away with it), doubling performance with every major series, plus went to becoming more power efficient at the same time. Intel just couldn't hang any longer with the doubling of the frequency & should had known better than allow Dell & HP over 12 years ago to be in on how to cool single core 3.8Ghz chips. A decade later, Intel's own engineers stated 'we should had handled things internally', rather than build the chips, and allow the OEM's, who are penny pinchers & were wasteful with needless spending on proprietary connectors at the same time. Moore's Law could had continued for decades had they handled things internally, as NVIDIA does. 

Too bad we're not going to see native 5GHz CPU's as quad cores, though on the GPU side, we're going to see 10GB GDDR5 GPU's (already at 5GB GDDR5X), the next series will likely feature more memory than today's, and NVIDIA won't be outdone by AMD (lor long). Should their 'next gen' CPU/GPU lineup outperform NVIDIA, they'll simply slap a 'Ti' label on the 1080/1070/1060 & bump up performance to gain a step ahead again for another couple of years.

At any rate, this new kernel slowed my load times, was back down in the 12 second range until a few hours ago, when I upgraded the kernel & Linux Tools. 

Seems that every time a new kernel comes out, my load times goes to the dogs for a few weeks, though as of late, there's been several of these upgrades, so maybe this one will last for awhile & boot times will settle back down with some OS updates.

Hm, the new kernel seemd to slow mine down a little bit so i reverted back.

here is my inxi -Fx output.

Edited by Viper_Security, 22 February 2017 - 12:41 PM.

This is the best time I've had with the new kernel so far. 

I guess compared to the four pane OS, booting into the OS & opening Google Chrome in under 25 seconds total isn't bad, would be better if the network loaded a bit faster, though I realize that not all services can load instantly. Am still deciding whether (or not) I'll be reinstalling Linux Mint on my best & fastest PC, I can always run any version of Linux as a VM on one out of two 1TiB HDD's (one is still in the box, needs to be installed). These HDD's are fast also, I could easily dedicate one (or most of it) for VM's, and store one or two backups on a 100GiB partition for quick restore if not infected, though I always backup to externals, will also keep a couple on one of the internal drives, which makes for a fast restore, including Linux, if installed.

Still a total of 16.990 seconds for all 4 isn't shabby at all.

Edited by cat1092, 01 March 2017 - 04:52 AM.

With the latest NVIDIA driver update, am back in the race.

Anything under 20 seconds is great.

Under 15 seconds is excellent & 10 outstanding!

Still hanging in there, even with a (partially) broken system.

Not as fast as above, although still under 20 seconds.

My best boot time in quite some time!

 

cat@cat-ASRockZ97Extreme ~ $ sudo systemd-analyze

[sudo] password for cat: 

Startup finished in 5.071s (firmware) + 2.275s (loader) + 2.863s (kernel) + 1.427s (userspace) = 11.637s

 

Trying to make the Outstanding range, have just over 1.7 seconds to go.

Viper, are you still with us?

Edited by cat1092, 17 April 2017 - 06:02 AM.

Having played with full installs over the last year or two of Ubuntu, MInt, CentOS, Zorin, and Debian on an HP laptop ( 2 GHz AMD A4 APU) using only a 500 GB 5400 RPM Western Digital hard drive, I will say that all of the above are remarkably fast for both  bootup and shutdown, even when running with the slow drive. (It's almost as though Linux on a slow hard drive performs how we wish WIndows would perform on even a medium speed SSD, if that makes any sense...)

The gains are continuing, although I don't expect much better, at one time was in the 10.xxx range. Having the NVMe SSD adds a couple of seconds to boot, that '10xxx' was achieved on a SATA-3 Samsung 850 Pro (512 GiB).

 

cat@cat-ASRockZ97Extreme ~ $ sudo systemd-analyze

[sudo] password for cat: 

Startup finished in 5.006s (firmware) + 2.133s (loader) + 2.822s (kernel) + 1.255s (userspace) = 11.217s

 

Best I've seen in quite some time.

MDD1963, you're right, there's many Linux distros that'll run on a HDD as fast (if not faster) as a bloated Windows does on a low to mid grade SSD. I had many a Linux Mint install dual booting with Windows on HDD's, and Mint was fully loaded and was on a browser, whereas on Windows, that silly neon icon was still swirling. That's what made my wife, who was computer illiterate & mind not polluted by Microsoft, made the leap to Linux Mint. She noticed how fast I was logging on & into a browser & wanted the same. 

And that's where many folks are undereducated about Linux, these OS's runs most of the same browsers (other than Edge or IE) as Windows, has many of the same social apps (Skype & other messaging software), the masses really don't know that they're missing out on. And best of all, low maintenance (other than staying updated & running drive images on a regular schedule) & in line with the Topic, extra fast boot times, what more could one want?

In general, it's true that we get what we pay for, that's undeniable, however there are exceptions to the rule & Linux distros are among these. Many won't touch Linux because it's 'free', like something's wrong with it. Well, if they like it, then like myself & others, can donate to their distro of choice, preferably directly through the link on the Startup screen if the pop-up is not disabled that many distros includes.

Cat

MadmanRB, maybe you need to check out my post (#9) in this Topic, like yours, my graphics drivers were the same as yours until I applied the shown PPA minutes ago as of this post. Latest is 381.09. Make sure that you remove any prior PPA first in Software Sources > PPA's.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/642875/best-way-to-manage-updates/

After adding the PPA, go to Administration > Driver Manager, or however your distro maintainer manages these. This way, you're also making sure that the AMD microcode (if applicable to your system) is also installed.

As to your times, once it gets good & stable, the boots will not take as long. Like you, I don't use Fast Boot in the UEFI, and considering that I'm penalized on boot for the SSD being PCIe, rather than on a SATA-3 port, am very fortunate to have the boot times I do. The deck is stacked against me & I still do good.

Although that's kind of odd, because as soon as I press the power button, the yellow sleep light on my monitor turns blue, the SSD is in the other unused GPU slot, for faster speed & to be able to use my PCIe x1 slots. If I were to place it in the PCIe x4 slot, my PCIe x1 wireless/BT4.0 card won't work, plus it must be a Gen2 slot, as the speeds are not as fast. That's the downside to having any Intel MB that'll take up to a quad core CPU (today's best is the i7-7700K), there's only 16 PCIe lanes & against my own gut feeling, took the advice of a friend & purchased the i7-4790K & Z97 MB, rather than a 6 core CPU (w/out graphics, what my friend said was a 'con') & required LGA 2011-3 MB, was only about $40 more, as was the CPU, the i7-5820K with nearly 2x the L3 cache (just as important as raw GHz value), and 28 PCIe lanes that would had given me plenty of expansion room & some to spare.

I'll not make that mistake again, that CPU can run DDR3 or DDR4 RAM, although at the time, there were few (if any) DDR4 choices available when I was considering purchase in late 2014/early 2015, the specs of the CPU has been revised. Bet anything that Mint would boot inside of 10 seconds on it (with a PCIe SSD & fast RAM). Maybe even with a fast SATA-3 SSD, such as the 512 GiB Samsung 850 Pro that was recently removed from this build.

http://ark.intel.com/products/82932/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz

Of course, that base 3.3GHz could had easily been raised with the multiplier to at least match the base & Turbo speeds of the 4790K & there's always promos on DDR4 RAM, I recently lucked out of the 4 sets of the 16GB (8GB x2) GSkill DDR3 2400MHz TridentX RAM kits at $109.99 each shipped in 3 days (only one kit was ordered the first time to ensure compatibility, then the other three). Placed all 4 kits in my main two PC's & set to run in XMP Profile 1, and one set of the formerly installed 32GB 1600MHz was placed in my 3rd best (a secondary build) PC. Full specs are in my sig below, from best on down. The other 32GB will be placed back into my XPS 8700, soon to be placed back into duty, tried to find a better CPU cooler, there's not many offerings for mini towers. Note that I'm not bragging, it takes premium hardware to have fast performance, to include the best boot times.

Still, Linux Mint should & did run fast on it, the install (17.3) is still there. Needed the CPU (i7-4770) for this one until I obtained a suitable (unlocked) CPU, the i5 version of the Devil's Canyon (4690K), am a proud owner of both choices of the collection. Unfortunately, the 'inxi -Fxz command doesn't show the true CPU frequencies, it's set in the UEFI to run at 4.4GHz (x44) & cache of 40, rather than 39. So the CPU spec is the stock value in Performance mode. 

Not my best boot time, although just installed updated graphic drivers, these & kernel updates always causes my boot times to rize for a few days.

 

cat@cat-ASRockZ97Extreme ~ $ sudo systemd-analyze

[sudo] password for cat: 

Startup finished in 5.018s (firmware) + 2.315s (loader) + 8.095s (kernel) + 891ms (userspace) = 16.320s

 

Some would take that 16.320 seconds & be shouting VICTORY as loud as possible. Not me, I'm chasing the coveted sub-10 second boot time. That would indeed be outstanding.

Cat

Edited by cat1092, 19 April 2017 - 04:44 AM.

But I am on Manjaro not Ubuntu so PPA's are useless

ff@debian:~$ systemd-analyzeStartup finished in 9.911s (kernel) + 7.324s (userspace) = 17.236s

Edited by rufwoof, 21 April 2017 - 06:35 PM.

But I am on Manjaro not Ubuntu so PPA's are useless

Fair enough, I'm aware that non-Ubuntu distros handles package management differently, one reason why I've stuck with Linux Mint for years.

That stated, isn't there an alternative to the PPA that Ubuntu based distros uses? There would have to be a way to add these, even if performed differently, otherwise couldn't get updated software. 

Now, as to my latest boot time, while not my best, still just above 15 seconds. Maybe it was either the new kernel or graphics drivers update, it's normal (for me) to have longer boot times when these are first shipped. 

 

cat@cat-ASRockZ97Extreme ~ $ sudo systemd-analyze

Startup finished in 8.476s (firmware) + 2.397s (loader) + 2.807s (kernel) + 1.479s (userspace) = 15.161s

 

Could be better, yet could be much worse.

Cat

I get figures of

ff@debian:~$ systemd-analyzeStartup finished in 9.911s (kernel) + 7.324s (userspace) = 17.236s

adding the plot parameter redirected to s.svg filename and inspecting the resulting s.svg indicates wicd (network) to be the bottleneck preventing around a second quicker bootup time.

HDD frugal boot of Debian Jessie with filesystem in a lzo compressed squashfs, booted using grub4dos on a relatively old desktop (Phenom quad-core 2GB) with old 8600GT Nvidia card (but using Debian nouveau drivers).

 

Not bad at all, considering your hardware & the lack of the other two times (firmware & loader), must have that machine fine tuned to perfection for those on HDD.

Of course, LInux will boot a lot faster on HDD than Windows does, on a fast HDD, a Linux install can easily beat a low grade SSD on boot times (example, many in the $59,99-69.99 range) with Windows installed.

Cat