Old Mac O.S. apps no longer work

Just to be clear the dropping of support for new versions of apps is being done by Apple and is in no way related to the hardware.\ or the software manufacturer.

The hardware is capable of running the latest version of apps in windows on the same Intel hardware.

Why can I run on windows or Linux on a 32 bit system the latest version of firefox and not Apple ?

Just to be clear the dropping of support for new versions of apps is being done by Apple and is in no way related to the hardware.\ or the software manufacturer.

 

The hardware is capable of running the latest version of apps in windows on the same Intel hardware.

 

Why can I run on windows or Linux on a 32 bit system the latest version of firefox and not Apple ?

You can run the latest version of Firefox (not just the ESR) on Catalina just fine.

All Macs that run Mountain Lion and later (including Catalina) are 64-bit Macs (ok technically Lion required a 64-bit processor, but could run on Macs with 32-bit EFI and drivers. Mountain Lion only . Firefox is also 64-bit only on macOS for a long time.

Its called planned obsolescence, and Apple is very guilty of it.

Compared to Microsoft who until recently has supported hardware 10+ years old, Apple has always done this crap.

This means you spend $100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 on the same kind of hardware you can find in a friggin PC for a fraction of the cost but because it has a stupid fruit logo people buy it.

I have and will always hate apple, they make nothing but overpriced crap that will be obsolete in 5 years while I have 10+ old machines that run like new because not only do they use standard parts that are not soldered in or locked down to an OS that will be unsupported 7 years from now.

This is why I'm glad I'm a PC user as Linux as my main OS, no spending a fortune on hardware that will be unsupported in 5 years and no Microsoft to come out with another crappy OS everyone hates.

Yes, Linux has its own set of quirks, but at least I'm not spending a fortune on it.

Just to be clear the dropping of support for new versions of apps is being done by Apple and is in no way related to the hardware.\ or the software manufacturer.
 
The hardware is capable of running the latest version of apps in windows on the same Intel hardware.
 
Why can I run on windows or Linux on a 32 bit system the latest version of firefox and not Apple ?

You can run the latest version of Firefox (not just the ESR) on Catalina just fine.
All Macs that run Mountain Lion and later (including Catalina) are 64-bit Macs (ok technically Lion required a 64-bit processor, but could run on Macs with 32-bit EFI and drivers. Mountain Lion only . Firefox is also 64-bit only on macOS for a long time.

I only agree with Blue bunny from outer space, as the only reason for not allowing the latest version of software to run is to make the current hardware obsolete and hope that users but a new Mac hardware even though the old hardware should be able to run the latest application.

I only agree with Blue bunny from outer space, as the only reason for not allowing the latest version of software to run is to make the current hardware obsolete and hope that users but a new Mac hardware even though the old hardware should be able to run the latest application.

 

 

Just to be clear the dropping of support for new versions of apps is being done by Apple and is in no way related to the hardware.\ or the software manufacturer.
 
The hardware is capable of running the latest version of apps in windows on the same Intel hardware.
 
Why can I run on windows or Linux on a 32 bit system the latest version of firefox and not Apple ?

You can run the latest version of Firefox (not just the ESR) on Catalina just fine.
All Macs that run Mountain Lion and later (including Catalina) are 64-bit Macs (ok technically Lion required a 64-bit processor, but could run on Macs with 32-bit EFI and drivers. Mountain Lion only . Firefox is also 64-bit only on macOS for a long time.

Whoops that made no sense. Let me clarify: Lion requires 64-bit processors but can run on Macs with 32-bit EFI or drivers but Mountain Lion requires full 64-bit drivers and EFI as the kernel is 64-bit only since Mountain Lion). That also means that macOS and Solaris were rare OSes that added support for 32-bit kernels to run 64-bit executables if the processor supports it (since Snow Leopard and not sure which version for Solaris)

Mountain Lion did not require anything to be 64 bit since it still ran 32bit software and used 32 bit drivers.

Edited by greg18, 05 April 2024 - 02:15 PM.

 

 

 

Just to be clear the dropping of support for new versions of apps is being done by Apple and is in no way related to the hardware.\ or the software manufacturer.
 
The hardware is capable of running the latest version of apps in windows on the same Intel hardware.
 
Why can I run on windows or Linux on a 32 bit system the latest version of firefox and not Apple ?

You can run the latest version of Firefox (not just the ESR) on Catalina just fine.
All Macs that run Mountain Lion and later (including Catalina) are 64-bit Macs (ok technically Lion required a 64-bit processor, but could run on Macs with 32-bit EFI and drivers. Mountain Lion only . Firefox is also 64-bit only on macOS for a long time.

Whoops that made no sense. Let me clarify: Lion requires 64-bit processors but can run on Macs with 32-bit EFI or drivers but Mountain Lion requires full 64-bit drivers and EFI as the kernel is 64-bit only since Mountain Lion). That also means that macOS and Solaris were rare OSes that added support for 32-bit kernels to run 64-bit executables if the processor supports it (since Snow Leopard and not sure which version for Solaris)

Mountain Lion did not require anything to be 64 bit since it still rain 32bit software and used 32 bit drivers.

 

I didn't claim Mountain Lion dropped support for running 32-bit applications. In fact, earlier I pointed out it was Catalina that dropped support for 32-bit applications. However, it did drop support for 32-bit kexts/drivers as there was no 32-bit kernel with Mountain Lion (further matching its requirement of a 64-bit processor with 64-bit EFI and drivers)

I think you confused greg18 when you mentioned 32 bit since this is is about 64 bit Apple system and nothing to do with 32 bit which apple has not created in many years as a matter of fact if you saw a 32 bit Mac you would not recognize it as a Mac.

The take away is that I can run Linux on a Intel Mac and it will run all the latest apps and it will function on the same hardware. So Apple is purposely preventing the running of the latest software after the Mac is end of life.

I think you confused greg18 when you mentioned 32 bit since this is is about 64 bit Apple system and nothing to do with 32 bit which apple has not created in many years as a matter of fact if you saw a 32 bit Mac you would not recognize it as a Mac.

 

The take away is that I can run Linux on a Intel Mac and it will run all the latest apps and it will function on the same hardware. So Apple is purposely preventing the running of the latest software after the Mac is end of life.

If your complaint is that you can't run the latest version of macOS, that I understand. Apple has usually been quicker to drop support (until Windows 11 which was only compatible with computers 3 years older). Since Big Sur, Apple even sped this up as they want to soon move to Apple Silicon (arm64) only Macs. See https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/with-macos-sonoma-intel-macs-are-still-getting-fewer-updates-than-they-used-to/

I thought the main issue you had was running Firefox on Catalina. The latest version of Firefox supports Catalina.

No my complaint is not about the O.S. like all other O.S. they eventually go.

But with Apple running a Intel processor the Apple O.S. will refuse to run the latest applications, Even though the Mac hardware has no problem running the application demonstrated by running either Windows or Linux on the same Mac OS hardware.

The diagram shows the message. I have an old version of Firefox 90 and when I try to install the latest I get the below response.

Edited by Chiragroop, 17 April 2024 - 07:49 PM.